TTF & StarWolves - Diplomatic Talks, Deals, promises, troubles

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TTF & StarWolves - Diplomatic Talks, Deals, promises, troubles

Post  GreatWolfVladimir on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 3:42

Caotico09 (ambassador from TTF) wrote to GreatWolfVladimir)
Greatwolfvladimr,

TTF is an old alliance, one that exists in a number of universes and has been
through many wars. If you guys plan to declare war i suggest you get on with it.
TTF is not going to disband due to the threats of a noobish mass alliance such as yours.

Sincerely-
Caotico09


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GreatWolfVladimir answer and open Diplomatic talks
Greatings noble Lord Caotico09

I bow to you in honor to see good ambassador from another alliance,
and Im honored to see another good ambassador.

We the StarWolves can promise, that nobody from StarWolves want any WAR.
If you are wise leader or good ambassador, then now we can lead diplomatic talks
for understand whats happening there.

I dont see reason why you write me this your message,
but we have some experiences with that in last weeks, so ...
as to good ambassador I can show to you this:


Embassy Hall of StarWolves:
http://starwolves.freeforumonline.com/t943-you-want-war

And alliance page of FUSION alliance:
http://fornaxti.worldgoo.com/t63-surrender-now#272

When you with your great wisdom,
and another skilled lords from your alliance will read this...
You can understand more whats happening there.
Only now you can be 100% sure that this message is from me...
Leader of StarWolves alliance GreatWolfVladimir.


1st message of 2
....continue....


It was sended in two messages to Lord Caotico09 In-Game PM
That is reason why this message is in 2 parts.


2nd message of 2
...conclusion....



If I can ask ...... show this message to ALL of your fighters,
If you have your home page, then show this our talks there too,
or send this my message to all members in your alliance as circular message,
by this way, all players can understand more whats happen there.

If I wish something, then it is no any WAR, but peace and prosperity
and making a good friends and allys in this Universe of FORNAX.
If there will be any possibility, then I will be honored to see you in future
as ours new allys, and friends for open trade betweeen ours alliances.


My Lord Pack Leader Hecthor Doomhammer show me your alliance page
http://z9.invisionfree.com/TTF_Legion_Forums/index.php?showtopic=2038&st=0&#entry11467577

and this is not message from Lord Waltersen... you can ask him self,
and I NEVER Agree with this. Wolf Lords can do only good as ambassadors,
but this guy who wrote that on your alliance page was not anyone from
StarWolves Battlebrothers.
Its just and only pathetic attempt from the poor guy
who have FUN in keeping WAR between alliances.


With deepest respect
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Post  Hecthor Doomhammer on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 5:53

The thing that bothers me the most out of this deal, is that he knows that Wolf Lord Waltersen is our ambassador and that we use WLW to short it down when we speak of him.

I doubt that Relentless knows about this, so it has to be Zeus/Cruxio.

I have informed RaZoR about this problem and invited him and his alliance to join us and I.U in the hunt for this traitor.
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Post  Caotico on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 6:36

Look. TTF is ruled by 3 members. We share power equally.
At this time please address all diplomatic messages through Apocalypse. He will be handling the diplomacy in this issue.

I know some details that you guys probably don't, but there are also somethings that i do not know. With that said i am going to speak plainly. I am not trying to offend or anything, i am just stating it how i see it.

Zeus/Cruxio was actually being considered for TTF membership not to long ago. From what i understand is that he left I.U because it was unorganized. He then join -x- not realizing that they were in a war. When he left -x- because of attacks, you guys kept bashing him for no profit, and are still attacking him even though he is no longer in -x-. In this scenario it looks like you guys are the bad guys.

Now why are both you and I.U actively hunting this "traitor"? Please answer carefully.

With that said I can assure you that it is not him or Relentless that have posted the one on the TTF forum.
We KNOW that it was a player in FearMERC.
We will give you his name and the details in which we were able to tie the message to him once i have talked to him about the reasons he did it.


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Post  Hecthor Doomhammer on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 6:46

The reason we keep attacking Cruxio, is that he sold out precious Star Wolves related information to members of -X- and later joined them, while we were at war against them, thus proving even more what a traitor he is.

After he left -X-, then he joined I.U, the reason he left them is unknown to us, but it seems that they too have issues with him, because after a short PM session I had with their leader, it became clear to me, that they were going after him as well, or at least, 1 or several members of their alliance.

This is why it's personal, that Cruxio, now named Zeus is being hunted by us
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Post  Caotico on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 6:51

so he was a member of Starwolves first?

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Post  Hecthor Doomhammer on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 6:52

Yes, as I explained to RaZor, he was a member of my personal instruction pack, as a student, where he was taught the basic principles of the game by our own experience.
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Post  Caotico on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 6:56

That is understandable. If you don't mind me asking- what kind of secrets did he give out? I mean not specifics but general?

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Post  Guest on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 6:57

Cruxio(Zeus) is being hunted for multiple reasons:-
He was a faithful SW member THEN, He messed up trades getting some members banned, He sent his res to (apparently) the wrong player which resulted in him being boosted by one of our members while our member got nothing, He left us because he wanted his own alliance which he abandoned and joined someone else, he then left them to join X, WHICH HE KNEW WE WERE AT WAR WITH, u don't just forget the alliance u left is at war with the people you are joining.

AND I personally (aswell as a couple others) helped him grow, we helped with any advice he needed and donations, until he was able to stand on his own, after he left not only did I feel betrayed MANY SW members did.

I have let others attack before I have and sat patiently in the background waiting, I could crush him with half my fleet.
If I want to attack him........I WILL
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Post  Hecthor Doomhammer on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 7:00

As you might have seen on the Ogame Boards, We have fought the past war with mostly Nuke Storms.
For the perfect coordination of those, we have tables with the specifics of our nuke capabilities.
These tables were copied and given to X by Cruxio
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Re: TTF & StarWolves - Diplomatic Talks, Deals, promises, troubles

Post  Caotico on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 7:06

How do you know that he gave the charts to them?


As for the charts themselves-
Im guessing coordinates, silo capacity, amount you can build (so resource production), ipm range?
All of that can be found out through use of gamestats and simple probing...

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Re: TTF & StarWolves - Diplomatic Talks, Deals, promises, troubles

Post  GreatWolfVladimir on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 7:16


Official message sended on TTF web page:
http://z9.invisionfree.com/TTF_Legion_Forums/index.php?showtopic=2038&st=0&#entry11467626

Greatings noble Lords and warriors
of The Trade Federation alliance


Im GreatWolfVladimir Leader of StarWolves.
I come to you with my noble Pack Leaders
side by side into your Throne Hall,
but not as enemies... but as Highest ambassadors
and representatives of StarWolves alliance.

Paladin My Pack Leaders beside me stands proudly Paladin
as good warriors and ambassadors,
Worship otherside but I will bow to the highest honor of your leader. Worship


Before this my message I started our diplomatic talks with your
lord ambassador Caotico09, for show all important information for this great issue.
We the StarWolves have some experience with this issue in last few days,
so we know that this is prepared by Heretic player called "Relentless"
His alliance was defeated and his worlds was burned by StarWolves
in Ultimate Strike againts this plague in FORNAX universe.

True is, that we was in WAR with -X- alliance where Relentless was leader.
But we dont start that war... that was their wish and their anger.
Relentless was pathetic before war, in war, and he is still so hopeless.
But we dont start that pathetic WAR, we are peacefully alliance and we help
to each wolf grow and prosper, and we learn them how be a good warriors and
honorable players.

We respect friends or foe... and after this WAR
We offer helping hand to ours ex-enemies...
When you will look into StarWolves EMBASSY Hall, then you can see,
that some of them are now ours new battlebrothers and we help to them
with re-building after war how its possible.


This issue between The Trade Federation and StarWolves
is only concept in the sick mind of Relentless.
We The StarWolves never have any fun from any WAR, we dont have
any good feelings from that. We lost many good battlebrothers in war...
and in that war... many good players of enemies was burned by ours forces...
that was unnecessary looses... they was good players.
We never will want any war, but they want that, then we give it to them.
it was great task for protect ours younger players, so we take this war very seriously.


Last thing for deny first WAR issue post:
He wrote:
1) "You have held the top 10 rankings quite long enough.
We demand that you disband your alliance,
or Starwolf will declare war on you.

2) If you have seen the destruction we brought
against the last fool to do battle with us, you will rightly fear us."

So GreatWolfVladimir's reaction on that...
That first... was "Relentless" own reason why he want WAR against StarWolves.
Disbanding whole alliance was his law for his war and only way for end His war.

Nobody see that destruction better then Relentles when we in ONE day
in great cooperative strike burn all his planets and hunt all his ships.
And nobody must feel fear from StarWolves just so pathetic Heretic like "Relentless".
He think that we are just inactive accounts, but we show to him where was true.
He was very anger, and this was his reaction and he try do some revenge
by start wars in FORNAX Universe.... that is only for his fun.

But for deny this his fun... we open first good trade routes
between FUSION alliance and they become a good new ally of StarWolves.
And that is only by this his pathetic try to declare war between us.



For answer on question of lord ROUGH:
"question is, how is Relentless finding our forums since he is banned ingame?"
We know that he use many of nicknames Obieone, Obieone2,
Pestilence, PupyFucker, Relentless....
And he still play this game ... I self see him in I.O. Universe as "Relentless"


We all must know all data for wise decision in this issue.
For keeping all those informations together I give to you
full entrances for show to you that all data look:

Embassy Hall of StarWolves:

http://starwolves.freeforumonline.com/t943-you-want-war

And alliance page of FUSION alliance:
http://fornaxti.worldgoo.com/t63-surrender-now#272

As I say before to your ambassador Caotico09:
"If I wish something,...
then its not any WAR,...
but peace and prosperity!!!
and making a good friends and allys in this Universe of FORNAX.
If there will be any possibility, then I will be honored to see you in future
as ours new allys, and friends for open trade betweeen ours alliances."

Shake hands
king With deepest respect king
GreatWolfVladimir
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Post  GreatWolfVladimir on Sun 24 Jul 2011 - 7:33

Lord Caotico
Its just and only table that we called NUKE SHIELDING.
With this advantage we are able to coordinate ultimate strike with very short time.

I agree with you... all those data can be founded by simply probing of all planets or by using some tools.
Its not so extra informations... its just advanced tactic ready for use of any wolf in our alliance.


Main reasons are as Wolf Lord BimBim wrote...
He betray many of us... we invest into his territory many of resources...
that was milions in donation for help to him grow...
how you can feel if in time of WAR he abandon you... and join into army of enemy?
"WHICH HE KNEW WE WERE AT WAR WITH..."
He was and he still is a traitor...
He do that still again and again in another alliances,
and its look like... that is reason why another alliances hunt him too.


Teacher
His destiny is in hands of Lord Pack Leader Hecthor Doomhammer, because he was master of Cruxio/Zeus
this young player was his apprentice,
but i think that we have here another issue...

Solution between The Trade Federation and the StarWolves
Can we go back and continue in diplomatic talks in this way? Shake hands
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Post  Caotico on Mon 25 Jul 2011 - 16:23

The player that posted the thing on TTF forums is "Orchi" from FEARMerc.
I checked the ip of the poster, a friend then traced it to Orchi.

I pm'ed him, but have yet to recieve a reply.

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Post  Hecthor Doomhammer on Mon 25 Jul 2011 - 17:56

It makes me wonder whatever it is that we did to anger him, if he wishes to have 2 alliances against us.
But even more, what is wrong with that guy?

But I'm letting you handle this, Lord Caotico
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Post  GreatWolfVladimir on Mon 25 Jul 2011 - 21:35

scratch Hmm so thats weird noble Lords... Say what now

If this is really this guy, then I dont know any his reasons to do that.
I see him in Game, right now he is in Vacation.
We never have any bad thinks with FearMercs alliance... just maybe
few border battles for profitable planets... but thats all.

If I remember then we have good connections into FearMercs govermet.
I will try to contact him for asking if he know some reason.


When I read all those "weird WAR messages" on all alliance web pages, study
then its look like that wrote one guy.
Type of writing is very similar to all those messages what Relentless write to us in past.
hmm he still changed many of nick names and if you look into Bannlist...
there is many of names like Obieone, Obietwo, Obieone 2...what he use in past...
What do you think... its possible to Relentles is back on another re-taken account???
(from some of his friends who quit play of Ogame?)

Or it can be only weird fun of madman Orchi Shocked ?


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Post  Caotico on Tue 26 Jul 2011 - 1:27

That is what i had originally thought, or that he might be an ex member that joined FEARMerc after the war.

SO we cross checked on Infuza- which shows alliance and name changes in the last month.
Infuza shows that he hasn't changed either in the last month- although the account owner could have changed.

Orchi was NOT in vmode when i originally pm'ed him asking why he would do it.
So he obviously recieved my pm, ignored it, and went into vmode.


There is always the chance that he didnt have a part in the Fusion incidence, but he might have.

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Post  Hecthor Doomhammer on Tue 26 Jul 2011 - 3:53

I seriously do not doubt, that if he has a problem with us and tries to get a war started, he is also responsible for the problems with Fusion.

It seems obvious that he was watching the topic on Fusion's Forum and learned from that, about the fact that Wolf Lord Waltersen is our ambassador and that I posted hoping to set everything right there, so that's the reason he used my name.


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Post  Guest on Tue 26 Jul 2011 - 4:22

I have been informed that relentless is in V mode in other unis due to interet issues so it can't be him, BUT I still think it could be, maybe he does have a new account and he has V mode in other unis to throw us off?
He could have been multi accounting from the start, Doom ever thought about what happened to exude?

By GreatWolfVladimir response on this message:
Yes, I see his Inactivity too, but that isnt interet issues, he lost his main interest
in FORNAX. And if that was really internet issues, then weird was that King Cut have
that same in same time. It was in same time when we hunt them.
True is... He stop play. OGamer


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Post  Hecthor Doomhammer on Tue 26 Jul 2011 - 5:04

I honestly think that exude is not the bad guy here.
True, it was odd that he occasionally came on the chatboard, said hi, and by and logged off again after a few seconds.

But multio accounting through different pc's is possible and intracable I thought
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